I grew up shooting Daisy and Crosman pump up airguns. I had a Powerline 880 that was rather cheaply made and a 760 that was very nice and well made. A few years ago I bought a 760 for my son, only to find that the wood stock I enjoyed as a boy was gone. It was nothing but cheap plastic. Lame.
Recently we experienced a squirrel problem. They were constantly stealing fruit off of our trees, digging up our garden and raiding the bird feeder. It was time for them to go. I own a Gamo Delta in .177, but wanted something a little stronger for eradicating the squirrels in our yard. I would have selected a more powerful spring or gas break barrel, but my city is anything but friendly to airguns. According to the local laws, I can't even use a pea shooter! In addition, I suffered a serious arm injury that would make shooting a powerful springer difficult. After much research, I decided on a QB78 Deluxe in .22 caliber.
After receiving this rifle I loaded up a couple of CO2 cartridges and went plinking in the back yard. While not silent, the report was relatively mild. It can be heard by my neighbors, but I doubt it will bother them and they will likely not even know what it is.
After I finished shooting off the two CO2 cartridges, I decided to take the gun apart. I have to say I was appalled at what I found. Every cut edge on this gun is rough. Apparently their machinist do not know what BAE means (break all edges). I even found a ring of metal obviously from the machining floating in the gas breech. It is no wonder that the seals are cut every time the gun is assembled or disassembled. Even the trigger has rough edges from where it was stamped(?) out.
I bought some fine files, very fine sandpaper and some wooden dowels and proceeded to clean up this gun. I attacked every sharp edge I could find. Unfortunately, that means that a lot of the bluing had to go.
I re-assembled it with new seals, well lubricated, and replaced the breech transfer seal with a Crosman seal for better flow. The original seal is not "crushed", BTW, it is just made smaller to restrict flows for some of those, um, restrictive countries. I eagerly went out to test fire and was very, very disappointed. The accuracy was abysmal. Crosman Premier Hollow Points are highly recommended for this gun, but both these pellets and the Destroyers were just plain awful. I contacted AGD and they recommended trying other, better pellets.
I purchased some JSB Jumbo 18.13gr and some RWS superdomes. The JSBs are phenomenal. Within the limits of my back yard they are absolutely devastating for the squirrels that happen to hold still. The RWS pellets give me similar groups but I have not shot them much, since the JSBs are so good. The QB78 is not supposed to be very powerful, but it has no problem dispatching any squirrel I hit, even out past 20 yards. Some of the pellets hit my wooden back stop and buried themselves completely in the wood.
There are many modifications I want to do, but in the end it isn't worth it. Why not? The number one mod I would like is to install a repeater kit. The kit is over $170. How can I justify putting a $170 kit on a $100 air gun? For $270 I could have purchased a Hammerli 850, from what I have read a fine, finished repeating air gun. I could also put in an "XP" Kit for 100FPS more. Again, the stock QB has plenty of power for my back yard and any more would give me fewer shots, which would cost more, and make the gun louder, which I definitely do not want.
In addition, I could have bought a QB79 and installed a bulk filled CO2 or air tank. Aside from the fact that the CO2 cartridges are easier to replace, I really did not like the bottle look of the QB79. The QB78 looks (and probably handles) much more like a rifle.
In the end, I would give the rifle as it was out of the box 3 stars. As it is now, cleaned up, I would be tempted to give it 5 stars. As a compromise, I give it 4 stars and recommend it to anyone with the skills to clean up the edges and who likes to tinker a little bit.
I use it for shooting starlings out of my pine trees, and itā€™s surprisingly accurate out to 30-40 yards. After that, the groupings fall to pieces.
Very little recoil. So little, that just about any scope will hold 0.
For $100, this gun is worth every penny. I highly recommend it.
While the FPE is on the low side because of the accuracy you will be able to take small game (squirrels, cotton tail, and birds) easily at 25 yards. There is no recoil and on the dB meter on my phone it register around 70. So the gun is also very quiet at least compared to break barrals Iā€™ve shot.
older Chinese models .It is accurate and you get at least5 fifty good shots. I also like that one can mod this
gun with after markets kits.
The advertised velocity improvement of the seal kit was a little optimistic. My Chrony says I get about 640 - 650 fps with 14.3 gr pellets (.22 caliber) @ 75 degrees F. (still very adequate for small game hunting) I also found that the RWS Superdome pellets shot very accurately. The most recent test I did was a six shot group shot from a bench @ 23 yds. Five of the rounds went through a single hole the size of my little finger. I am very well pleased with my QB78D!
Fast delivery, all items received exactly as shown on web site.
This is the one rifle I should have started with.
Not many complaints about this rifle. However, it could use CO2 more efficiently. I have been averaging about 50 decent power shots per pair of 12 gram cartridges.
I am so pleased! The fit and finish is as good or better than the typical Remington or Winchester rifles being sold today. The trigger Is smooth and crisp. It adjusts from heavy to hair and everything in between. All the trigger parts are machined metal. The bluing is very nice and even. The stock fits beautifully with close tolerances and the finish is very good. From the first few shots with the factory open sights I determined that the rifle was worthy of a good scope. I purchased a Leapers Bug Buster 3-9 x 32mm AO scope. (a great combination) The accuracy is good (typical 5 shot groups at 10 yards from a bench can be covered with a nickel) but will be better after I find the pellets that this gun likes. I also ordered an XP tune kit from Archer Airguns that should add another 100 fps.
has easy to see sights, and also a crisp trigger.
It is also powerful and accurate enough for clean kills (on squirrels and grape-snatching birds within 100 feet away...really it's main purpose),
but it's not too powerful that pellets fly-out the other side and hit a neighbor's house!
It also is quiet enough that it will not offend the old lady that puts out bread and seeds to ATTRACT them!
The wood stock is well-finished and has classic lines.
The bolt and action operates smoothly. Trigger pulls clean and short with probably 2 pounds or less. Very easy to be accurate and as quick as a single-shooter allows you to be.
The .22 size just makes it so pellets are easier to grab out of the tin and load.
The 2 back-to-back 12 gr CO2 cartridges give atleast 100 full-power shots.
I would absolutely buy another and put a scope on that one...and just leave this one I have with standard open sights. I likey allot!
I could write a lengthy review about the nice stock and fine blued barrel but I will leave that for others. The main thing to take from this review is that I should have purchased two QB 78s. One for my wife and one for myself. A mistake I plan to rectify as soon as possible.
2 co2 can last about 60-70 shots however since I purchased the upgrade kit, it lasted only 30-40 shots but you can tell the difference.
Also, I've attached a custom made extended magazine for my QB and now is just amazing! (I found this in YouTube and his username is 'efjecko', he may be able to share more insight about the magazine!)
With the magazine and scope, you got yourself a whole new level of QB! Best choice I've ever made!
There is no doubt in my mind that in the dozens of new air rifles and pistols I have purchased recently, that this is the lone exception to the axiom, "you get what you pay for." This is the best value in airguns I have noted at any time. That is said from a guy that really has a strong dislike for any product, "Made in China". Beeman apparently has a firm hold on the attention of the manufacturer to produce a level of quality that must be maintained, for I rarely see it in other products made there. Nonetheless, I could not stand the sight of the words screen-printed on the receiver and blacked them out. It is a great product.
I didn't count, but it seems to shoot more rounds per pair of CO2's than advertised.
The trigger on my particular rifle had a noticeable metal-on-metal feel to it as-shipped. A little lube to the sear mechanism seems to have remedied that (a nice little port happens to be located perfectly for that operation)
For the price, none of my minor complaints dampen my satisfaction with this unit.
I was concerned about the gun being built in China, but really folks, this is a super good value for the dollar. I could not be more satisfied.
The fit and finish is good and I love the "real gun" weight of this rifle. It points like a setter.
I was also concerned that the .177 wouldn't pack the punch that the old .22 cal 180 had for killing urban rabbits, but as i just found out, it most certainly does on the first shot, IF you use pointed pellets. Wadcutters are far less accurate.
Finally, the muzzle velocity is higher on the .177 version of this gun, so that's why I bought it.
I mounted the scope off my Ruger Air Hawk on it (the Air Hawk shook this scope out of calibration because of the piston) and now I have the ultimate inter-urban chipmunk/rabbit killer.
HIGHLY recommend this rifle and Airgun Depot. in Southern parlance, "Git you one!".
The only thing I did to it so far is clean it up by wiping it down with RemOil and cleaning the barrel with Citris Goo-Gone. Very, very dirty from the factory. Dropped some CO2 carts in and started shooting with my son!
A few starlings have fell to the QB78 Deluxe as well :-)
Great, great gun for the money.
I tested one on my chrono and was again impressed. The stated velocity is 450 FPS? Using one full powerlet and one empty a ten round string averaged 539 FPS strait out of the box. After cleaning the bbl and a little oiling the second 10 round string averaged 548 fps! For the first round the bolt and hammer action was a little raspy, but I smoothed it out quite a bit after adding some dri-slide. A serious cleaning is in order.
The QB line up guns is a great value for around $100. No matter how many guns you own or have tested, if you don't own a QB 78 or 79 your missing out on a great fun gun. If you get one, it very likely that you won't want to part with it. Mine became instant 'keepers'!
But moving swiftly on, while that was a problem, the rifle is not. It's an absolute gem. This is a wonderful rifle, especially for the price. The stock looks and feels good, it's a nice weight, if a little small. It's a gun I just like to handle and look at.
The sights are excellent and easy to see through and align to target (even for my older eyes), and the overall build quality is amazing for the price level.
Shooting is a pleasure, with a solid 2 step trigger, and accuracy is remarkable right out of the box, adjusting only for distance.
Bolt is a nice balance of firm but not too tight, and power at least as advertised, and probably higher. Highly, highly recommended.
0.177Caliber 0.177 CalVelocity 650 fpsLoudness 2-Low-Medium
0.22Caliber 0.22 CalVelocity 550 fpsLoudness 2-Low-Medium